Yeah, it's weird that Sisko doesn't meet Janeway when they come through DS9, isn't it? Alas.
At least he met Mirror!Tuvok when posing as Mirror!Sisko. (Which reminds me, weren't there a couple of mirrorverse novels touted a couple of years ago as the first official ST tie-ins with same-sex relationships, featuring Mirror!Janeway battling it out with the Intendant for supremacy? (Figures they'd start with the mirrorverse. Oh, ST.)
House scene in s4 finale: oh, it's an incredibly painful scene; arguably the worst thing to happen to Toby with the Bartlet confrontation in s7 tying as second worst. (Err, in ways of direct human interaction. The death of his brother probably also qualifies for worst, but he wasn't around when that happened.) But I don't think you can mix Doylist and Watsonian arguments. If we're arguing from within the universe, then whether or not Sorkin would have taken the fallout from this elsewhere instead of letting Andy and the twins mostly disappear from the scene is immaterial. (Otherwise, you could just as well argue that Sorkin wouldn't have let Donna quit her job with Josh and work for the Russell campaign, and use this to say Donna is too co-dependent on Josh when actual events prove this not to be the case.)
Anyway, back to Toby: to me one of the many things which make the scene so painful is that he feels absolutely sincere, committed and what have you... but if she had said yes, I'm not sure it would really have made a difference in the long term because I don't believe children are the solution to solving marriage problems. And clearly here we have a couple who love each other dearly (and I think it's mutual), have tried to live with each other... and it didn't work. (As a non-marriage, i.e. they don't live together but see each other on a regular basis, it does seem to work in s4 and if the s7 halloween episode is anything to go by later on.)
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At least he met Mirror!Tuvok when posing as Mirror!Sisko. (Which reminds me, weren't there a couple of mirrorverse novels touted a couple of years ago as the first official ST tie-ins with same-sex relationships, featuring Mirror!Janeway battling it out with the Intendant for supremacy? (Figures they'd start with the mirrorverse. Oh, ST.)
House scene in s4 finale: oh, it's an incredibly painful scene; arguably the worst thing to happen to Toby with the Bartlet confrontation in s7 tying as second worst. (Err, in ways of direct human interaction. The death of his brother probably also qualifies for worst, but he wasn't around when that happened.) But I don't think you can mix Doylist and Watsonian arguments. If we're arguing from within the universe, then whether or not Sorkin would have taken the fallout from this elsewhere instead of letting Andy and the twins mostly disappear from the scene is immaterial. (Otherwise, you could just as well argue that Sorkin wouldn't have let Donna quit her job with Josh and work for the Russell campaign, and use this to say Donna is too co-dependent on Josh when actual events prove this not to be the case.)
Anyway, back to Toby: to me one of the many things which make the scene so painful is that he feels absolutely sincere, committed and what have you... but if she had said yes, I'm not sure it would really have made a difference in the long term because I don't believe children are the solution to solving marriage problems. And clearly here we have a couple who love each other dearly (and I think it's mutual), have tried to live with each other... and it didn't work. (As a non-marriage, i.e. they don't live together but see each other on a regular basis, it does seem to work in s4 and if the s7 halloween episode is anything to go by later on.)