You Continue to Suck:

[skywaterblue]

1. Fandom Fist Smash over this female character chart.

Because: 1a. All characters in media inherently meet some sort of 'trope' because there are only SO many ways to tell a story and make it satisfying to an audience. I mean, don't take Joseph Campbell that seriously or anything, but ... yeah, you know what, fucking read some Campbell and then get back to me on this?

1b. Yoko Ono is not a trope. She's also ten times more awesome than you, which is unfortunate for everyone reading this but inherently true. Get back to me after you survive Japanese firebombing, tell your parents to fuck themselves to move to the West and go to Sarah Lawrence eschewing your inheritance and discuss music theory with John Cage and perform with him at Carnegie Hall.

Then, IF you meet someone as equally talented as John Lennon and decide to say 'fuck everyone' and fall in love, YOU MIGHT be AS awesome as Yoko Ono. Like I said, get back to me on that.

1c. Tearing apart the women who do appear on TV because they're not YOU is an inherently stupid way to discuss their potentials as feminist/not-feminist. Let's start over, and you can read up on agency and the cliff notes of 'The Second Sex'. Then we can come back and talk about which characters pass and which fail.

2. Doctor Who filming in Utah. Anyone know where? I kind of want to go see it, though not having a license or car is kind of... fail. On the other hand, we can go stay with my Aunt, so I can provide a cheap base of operations?

Comments

[willwrite_fortea]

wow. just. wow. am I delusional for seeing more depth and dimension in these characters? :/

this needs a long meeting and revision, maybe more of a restart. blank slate.

[selenak.livejournal.com]

...did that chart call Uhura "useless"?

That alone would disqualify it forever 'n ever, in addition to all the other nonsense. Re: Yoko, one could also simply check the record sales (I mean hers, not John's) and the exhibitions all over the world (I think there's a new one in Berlin right now, which is why she's here; it made for some new interviews in the press) as examples for why "no one likes" is both stupid and factually untrue.

Unrelated to the point you made which I entirely agree with, though, I'm not sure about the early biographical instances because in the books I've read, the entire Ono family moved to New York in 1953 when Eisuke Ono was named director of the New York office of the bank of Tokyo and they lived in Westchester when Yoko enrolled in Sarah Lawrence. (Westchester; did anyone ever write an X-Men crossover?) Also, same book says it was her first husband, Toshi Ichiyanagi, who was Cage's prize pupil and performed with him though Yoko did stage a concert on her own in the recital theatre adjoining Carnegie Hall in 1961. (At which point John had never played in anything bigger than a night club in Hamburg and Liverpool; I'm not saying that to put her down! Just asking whether I have my details right or wrong.)

oh, almost forgot something I've been meaning to mention

[selenak.livejournal.com]

New hour long Yoko interview by the BBC which is online for five more days, if you've missed it so far:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00v73n8

[skywaterblue.livejournal.com]

Yes.

Um, if I'm recalling correctly they just didn't want her to go to an American college. I think those details are basically correct though I seem to recall she was doing joint pieces with Ichiyanagi. Is there an official biography? Because people seem to think that 'Woman' is riddled with errors.

Ah well, I wrote it off the top of my head this morning. Errors are mine, and bessemerprocess wrote a much better one.

[powerof3.livejournal.com]

That flowchart is elebenty billion kinds of fail.

I'm up for stalking fangirling over DW in Utah, and depending on when it is and finances, I'm all for a roadtrip. We just can't talk politics, because we'd likely kill each other. ;)

[rubyfruit]

Tearing apart the women who do appear on TV because they're not YOU is an inherently stupid way to discuss their potentials as feminist/not-feminist

I read a rant once about female characters and how they are not judged on their own merits most of the time, but how much do/don't do for the cause of (specific kinds of) feminism. And Item 1c reminded me of that rant.

But all of it? This so hard. Especially Item 1c.

[simonejester.livejournal.com]

WORD.

P.S. May I quote 1a-1c at verticalfile? They are the awesome. :)

(Though as I'm typing this comment selenak's Martha icon seems to be giving that request a rather WTF? type look. ;P)

[skywaterblue.livejournal.com]

Sure, quote away.

[simonejester.livejournal.com]

Thanks! :)